RV (00:06): Welcome to the Influential Personal Brand podcast. This is the place where we help mission-driven messengers, just like you learn how to build and monetize your personal brand. My name is Rory Vaden, and I’m the co-founder of Brand Builders Group, a hall of fame speaker, and New York Times bestselling author. And this show is to help experts learn how to become more wealthy and well-known. I know you’re gonna love it. Thanks for being here. Let’s get started. Well, a huge part of my life has been built around trying to inspire people to be more disciplined, teaching them the psychology of discipline, how to get themselves to do things they don’t want to do, and to help them achieve excellence in their own life. But a huge part of where I learned that from and my life was from my brother, my big brother, Randy, who you are about to meet. RV (01:01): This is a very special episode. And my big brother was a huge part of raising me. If you know anything about my story, our story but you know, that we were raised by a single mom. My mom was often working and, you know, busy doing things. And so Randy spent a lot of time raising me. Even though today I try to avoid tools and camping and anything masculine, pretty much at all costs. The, the, the manly skills that I have, and most of all the discipline and the perseverance and the resilience that I have is largely because of this man. Randy is incredible in his own right. So he’s done many things. So first of all, he is a military vet. So he served in two Wars. He was in Kosovo and he also was in Operation Southern Watch. RV (01:52): So he’s from, he was in the United States Navy, and he is a coach. So in addition to his professional life, he coaches competitive women’s softball and specifically young women. And their teams have been incredible. So he has coached the firecracker softball team in Colorado over the past 12 years. And their, his teams have tallied over 700 wins, and they have had two final four finishes in the Colorado State High School softball championships for the high school teams that he has been associated with. Part of what was the catalyst for this interview was that my brother went through an amazing physical transformation recently. He was always very athletic and very in shape in his younger years. Then as he had kids and built, you know, built a family and was doing the, doing the corporate thing he got busy doing other stuff. And we’re gonna hear about something that happened in the last couple years where his dramatic transformation led him to becoming a professional bodybuilder where he got two first place medals in the master division. I was there to watch it, and I wanna hear a little bit about the psyche for how he was able to transform his his own life again. And who knows where else we’re gonna go. We’re just having a chat with me and my brother, so please welcome to the show. Randy Gale. What’s up, brother? RG (03:26): Hey, how you doing? Thanks, Rory. Great introduction. Really appreciate it. Just one caveat, not a professional bodybuilder. I’m an amateur bodybuilder MPC amateurs. So yeah, I did win my show there and the overall for masters, which then qualified me for a national level show that I have yet to do so. But yeah, a big difference between, you know, the amateur MPC level and a, and a professional, professional bodybuilder who’s been doing it for several, several years. RV (03:55): Sure. Thanks. So thanks for clarifying for that, for clarifying that. And let’s start, let’s start there. Because that really was the catalyst where I was like, man, I gotta, we, I don’t know why we’ve never had you on the show, but this was an amazing transformation. So can you just give us some stats on when, oh, how much did you weigh Mm-Hmm. What was going in your life? Give us, give us the backstory of like, what was going on with you physically, and then what was the decision you made? When did that happen? And then, you know, at what point how much time passed between the transformation and when you were actually when you actually won in this amateur show? RG (04:36): Sure. So kind of what had happened is o over the years, you know, I’ve been coaching for several years and, and work and, and doing all of that sort of thing. But essentially I was kind of having, I wasn’t, I wouldn’t say health issues, but what I thought was maybe gout in my knees or my, my ankles and stuff when I eat certain foods, I was the heaviest I’d ever been. I was 280 pounds, so five foot eight. So there’s not a whole lot of room for that to go. I was, you know, over 50% body fat, like was, I was just fat obese not who I am or what I felt like I was. And I always remember there was one that, you know, there’s been two times in my life where I’ve tried to lose weight. RG (05:26): And the first time I remember I actually, a statement that you had told me was, you know, your body will only allow you to get to a certain suck level, right? And then once you notify your suck level, you’re like, oh, turn the gas on. It’s time to go. Well, I had less sight of that obviously from the last time that I had started to sort of train for a bodybuilding competition. And, you know, I, I pour a ton of energy and time into these young ladies and, and trying to help their dreams come true of playing col college softball and, and just, you know, becoming great character kids and, and, you know, contribute to society and whatnot. So we really trying to teach them how life is gonna happen, life skills, what’s gonna, you know, come their way, how to be ready, and how to be disciplined in that facet. RG (06:20): And in doing that, I lost sight of who I was, and I didn’t the focus wasn’t on me. So when I started having some health issues, I was kind of like, you know, this is, this isn’t gonna work. You know, I just, I’m not comfortable. I can’t tie my shoes. I can’t , you know, without breathing heavy. So it, it really was. I saw, you know, the thing that sort of shoots that catalyst is, is when you see a photo of yourself and you’re like, who is that? Like, it’s not me. I don’t look like that in your head, right? How many people, you know, you, you’ve talked to that it’s like when they go down that health journey, it’s like, you know, I was at a point where I was like, I didn’t even recognize myself. And that’s so true. I mean, everybody I’ve ever talked to that has needed help or has been there, that’s where they start. It seems like they, that’s a trigger point that, but usually it’s physical when they see themselves physically, but they’re like, I got, I can’t do this no more. So that’s kind of where it happened with me. I started training the biggest thing. So, just, RV (07:24): Just to pause, just to double click on that for a second. Hmm. I mean, one of the ways to say that is just basically, it’s a reality check, right? It’s like you come face to face with an irreconcilable truth. And I think that’s powerful for, in lots of ways, right? Like, people who are struggling financially, they are often afraid to look at their statements and they’re, they’re trying to avoid. And then it’s like, at some point you come, you’re forced to come face to face with this reality to go, this is my, this is my real situation. And so anyways, so so you saw, you basically saw a picture of yourself and you were like, I gotta do something . RG (08:09): Yeah. Well, it, it’s, it goes back to how am I, I’m, I’m this coach and everybody knows, how can I ask these young ladies to do something I can’t even do myself? Like, if I can’t be disciplined in my eating habits and my healthcare, how can I possibly ask them to, to be committed and disciplined into their sport and the things that it takes to get to that next level? So that was really the, that was really the, the thing that kept me going. Once I had saw, you know, the physical, the, the way I looked physically, I was like, you know, that’s what got me going. You know, I, I did, you know shameless plug to Joe Rogan, ’cause I used to list, listen to, I listened to his podcast in the morning about when I was getting up and I was doing this cardio, and it was like, you know, I’ve already completed something in my first half an hour of my day, then most people will do all week, right? And so it was understanding that to complete something that other other folks wouldn’t do. And it’s just get through it. Just get through it. People say that it’s, you know, motivating motivation is what keeps you, it is not, it’s, it’s discipline. Motivating gets you started, something motivates you to get started. But once that motivation’s gone, you have to have discipline to carry it out. Mm-Hmm. RV (09:28): . RG (09:28): And for me, I’m very goal oriented, right? So, RV (09:33): Yeah. So tell me about the competition and tell us, like, okay, so you were 280 pounds. Yeah. RG (09:38): You RV (09:39): Were over 50% body fat. Mm-Hmm. . And then you decided to enter a, a competition or work towards one, and how much time passed? RG (09:50): So that, that was not on the radar yet when I got started, obviously, right. It was just about, you know, getting healthy and trying to lose some weight. Biggest thing was, can I, can I change my diet to make it like a lifestyle where it wasn’t so extreme, I couldn’t handle it, and I’d be right back where I always am. So that’s how it started. So the first year, I, I picked the biggest, baddest dude in the gym, and I went up to him his name’s Taylor. And I said, Taylor, you’re working out with me . I’m like, I’m gonna work out with you. And he was like, Hey, great man, let’s do it. So he trained me and he was a bodybuilder, so he trained me as a friend. Like, I didn’t pay him for it, it was like a friendship, you know? And I had lost, you know, that first year, 50 pounds, just training with him and eating right. So after a year I had RV (10:39): Dropped. Hold on. How, how long were you training? Like, that’s, that’s , that’s a big moment. So you lost 50 pounds? RG (10:46): I lost 50 RV (10:47): Year. How often were you working out? RG (10:49): Well, December to like, the following December, I had lost 50 pounds. Wow. and I worked out five, six days a week. RV (10:55): Okay. How long RG (10:56): Cardio three, cardio, three, four days a week. 20 minutes to 30 minutes. And it was just, you don’t start there. So for your audience that’s listening is like, you can have in your head, that’s where I want to get, and you can attain it, but don’t set yourself up for failure and say, Hey, I’m gonna go start here. ’cause In two weeks you burn out. Right? So start slowly do what you, what you’re capable of, and put goals in front of yourself. Right. RV (11:21): Well, and I think the other thing that’s really powerful is, you know, you talked about suck level, which is a concept that, you know, like, I used to talk about that a lot. I I, I, it’s funny, I haven’t talked about that in a long time of like, that’s a good concept because it’s like your suck level is basically when you push yourself at red line to reach a new level, then it pushes you forward. Then you’re, what you would consider sucks, is actually much higher than you, you normally operate at. And the other way to do that is to do what you did, was to like surround yourself with people who are operating at a higher level. You’re, it’s like your, your baseline suck level goes up automatically because their expectations are so much higher. And just like you adopt their psyche, you adopt their habits, you adopt their, their self-talk, their way of eating. And that must’ve been going on with Taylor. RG (12:12): Yeah. Well, the other piece of that too, right, was, so after that year, I had talked to Taylor. I said, I wanna do a show, man. Like, I need another goal. I dropped the 50 pounds. I need another goal. I was two 30, and I was like, okay, I’m pretty fit. I’m, I’m looking pretty good, you know, like, but I wasn’t what I had still pictured in my head. And so when I talked to him, I said, gimme a show. Let’s pick a date. We picked October and this was in December, and I started full, full go. It was, it was on. And the way I made sure I did it is I told everybody I was doing it. I had to make myself accountable to other people, not just to myself. Because when you’re only holding yourself accountable, until you’re disciplined enough to continue to do that by yourself, you need something to push you to keep you doing it. RG (13:03): Because for me, I didn’t want to fail everybody. I told I didn’t want to fail my kids that I said I was doing this for. You know, I, I didn’t want to fail and prove that I couldn’t do something. So for me, I told everybody, I said, I’m doing, I, I, at first, I was, I was slow about it. Like January, February, I was kinda like, Hey, something new coming. I didn’t like fully commit. And then by March when I had dropped another, like, you know, 10 pounds, I’m like, Hey, I’m doing a show in October, by the way. And then it really kicked up another level. And it was, and, and to be quite honest, the hardest part for me is bodybuilders are selfish. You have to be a very, very selfish individual at that time, because right then it’s all about you. RG (13:49): It’s all about what you’re doing and how you’re com you know, competing and how you are making yourself look and how you, everything evolves, evolves around you because you can’t, you can’t do it up the other way. You would fail. And so, yes, I did surround myself with very like-minded individuals. You know, even at home it was like my wife Nicole, and my, my son Carter was like, you know, I’ll eat what you’re gonna eat. I’m not eating that. I gotta eat this. Right? And so that’s not always easy to have to, you manage three different types of meals or whatever. When it’s like, Hey, we could just make one meal. I was like, no, can’t I got six to eat today? And, you know, whatever. But so yeah. So that’s kind of how that happened. And then, RV (14:37): So by telling everybody, basically you kind of like, you don’t have a choice after that. Like once you, once it’s, once it’s out there now, your integrity’s on the line, your reputation’s on the line. Like, and these, it’s amazing how much these girls from your team, like how much of an impact they played here without, they, they maybe they didn’t even know. I don’t know if RG (15:02): I would talk to them about it. ’cause I, I would, I would tell them like, listen, ’cause they would ask me, you know, they’d see me eating six almonds or whatever on the sidelines, you know, during tournaments. ’cause We’re, you know, I’m coaching constantly. We’re always playing whatnot, but I bring my, my lunches or whatever, you know, and, and they would see, and I’d say, listen ladies, I’m not doing this to just do it. I’m doing it to win. Like, I don’t, I don’t set out to do something to just to do it. If I’m gonna do something, I’m gonna go out to win. And that’s exactly what I expect you to do. I don’t expect you to step on the field to just be on the field. I expect we’re gonna win. So that was my whole motto the whole time. That second year, and in that second year, I dropped another. So I got down to two 30. So dropped 50 at first, and I dropped another 30 pounds to step on stage. So I stepped on stage. I weighed in at 1 99. After two years of, you know, just going mad crazy. And, you know, I think the day of the show, I was 1 97 that morning. RV (16:04): Wow. So it’s over 80. So over 80 pounds, RG (16:07): Three pounds. Yeah. RV (16:09): And what was your body, what did your body fat RG (16:11): ? My body fat was down to like 5%. And I, I remember the definitely because think, think what meant so much to me is you came out right. That, that was tremendous for me, was a huge impact. And meant you don’t even know what that meant. But I remember waking up the next morning and telling Nicole, there’s no way. That’s me. There’s no way that that is me in the mirror. I, I mean, I went the other way so far the other way. And I was like, I cannot believe, I mean, I’m talking, but I can’t believe that’s me. . It was like, you know, when you’re 47 years old and you got a six pack and you can see the, you, you know, the, your durations on the side, serrations on the side. You’re like, wait, you know, it was crazy. It was, it was really crazy. I was really hungry. But it was really, it was really cool. . RV (17:00): Well, and if you go to, if you go to if you’re on Instagram, if you just look up the, the Randy Gale, GALE, the Randy Gale, you can see these pictures. Like, I remember I posted a picture on my Instagram that showed the before and after, and people went nuts. I said, it was like, that’s freaking massive 80 pounds. But, but dropping 45%. Yeah. In body fat in less than two years. That’s gnarly. RG (17:27): It’s really the body composition, right? The, the weight you can drop off. But if you are not, if you are not doing the right things, you’re just going to lose weight. And yeah, you’ll recomp yourself a little bit. But, you know, for me it was like, when you’re that big, you have X skin, like you have extra skin. That was the hardest thing. You know, and I think even you had heard some comments, you know, in the, in the stands, I was like, man, that dude lost a lot of weight. ’cause I had skin that you can’t hide that. And I wasn’t about to have surgery to have it removed. ’cause Why would I, you know? But it’s like that’s the biggest thing. I think that was the most difficult or most challenging thing. Wouldn’t you have lost that much weight? Is like, what do you do with all this skin that you were stuffing before , you know? RV (18:07): Well, I mean, the, the, I mean, it’s a reminder. I mean, it’s a reminder of the price you paid, right? It’s like scars. It’s going, this is a reminder that I’m not the person that I once was. That I’m not going back like that. It’s this, you know, it’s, it’s a, yeah. It’s, it’s a relic. It’s a relic of a different time in my life where I made different choices and I had different outcomes. Umspeaking. RG (18:34): Well, it’s also kind of a, a scary, a, a scary concept too that, that folks don’t really understand or I, I never really, I think thought about was, you know, there’s a lot of food diseases out there, right? That, and, and, you know, I even had a young lady on one of my teams that had a, a, a eating disorder. By doing this, it gave me somewhat of a, an eating disorder as well in the sense that I would freak out when I didn’t eat something right. And do an extra 15, 30 minutes of cardio. And so getting where I’m at now, which I’m, I’m, I’m maintaining, I’m out of, I’m call off season, right? I’ll start training really hard again here in July. It was really hard mentally for me to be like, okay, it’s okay to eat that because it’s that time of the season as opposed to, oh my God, freaking out. I’m gonna get really fat. You know? And so that, you know, that’s something that if, if somebody goes down this journey, they have to be ready for, they understand they need to talk to people. You need, there’s a right way to get back to say normal conditions of eating as opposed to, you know, super strict and, and you know, that bodybuilding diet. RV (19:54): Yeah. I mean, when you’re, when you’re training for a show, it’s like all consuming. I mean, it’s a very, very intense that the, I I, so I, I want to go back actually, like, on, on the topic of being, not being the person that you once were. Mm-Hmm. . You know, we just, I, you know, I just had mom on the show like not too long ago, which was like, prompted by just, oh, it’s Mother’s Day, and I should like, have mom on to like, tell her story about what it was like. And it was really powerful. I actually learned, I actually learned a lot hearing. It’s, it’s interesting hearing mom, you know, now being in our forties, hearing mom retell her perspective of the story of like, what happened, about how our life worked. And because like, my life is pretty dramatically different from where we started, you know? RV (20:51): Like, I see. So it’s, it’s, and, and, and that’s part of why I wanted you to, to have you on the show, because your life, your life is too, your life is dramatically different from where we started. And then you also had this more recent transformation that was also very dramatic in a very short period of time. And I think there’s people that are listening that maybe are not in the best situation, or maybe like, not in the best circumstances. Hmm. And sometimes it feels far away like that. You know, you, you could have a different, you could have a completely different life in two years or five years, like a radically different life. What do you remember about us growing up? Like what, what do you, ’cause you were older, you’re five years older than me. RG (21:39): Yeah. RV (21:39): And RG (21:40): Four and a half. I’m not five years. No, RV (21:41): You’re five and a half years older than me. Well, RG (21:43): Five and a half. Yeah. I’m getting older. I’m gonna tell you . RV (21:46): Yeah. It’s but you, but I, but I have, I have at least five point a half per more percent body fat than you do at least RG (21:54): Right now. You don’t, I RV (21:55): Believe the, you know, a lot of those, you know, the, the stories that mom was telling was, you know, like, I don’t remember a lot of the hard, I feel like a lot of the hardest times I don’t remember because I was still a baby. But you were old enough to remember some of those times. Mm-Hmm. clearly they were hard on moms. She was 23 years old. Single mom had two kids, had been divorced twice. You know, she shared about that she had two abortions and no college education at the time. Like living in a state away from her family. Like, it was hard. And that was her version of hard, my version was like a baby. I don’t remember anything. Y’all were taking care of me. But I’m curious about some of what you remember because you were like old enough to actually re remember it and you like live it. RG (22:52): Yeah. I, I, I, I would say first off, like, just to mom, like, as we’re older right? And understanding how difficult it is to raise kids. ’cause We have our, our own kids. And how not having another person there to support you and to be able to have two kids that turned out like we’ve turned out pretty freaking amazing, pretty amazing. Doesn’t, you don’t hear about that. I mean, and to understand not only the, the, the difficulty and challenges you have to, who’s gonna watch my kids when I go to work so we can eat, like, thank God for, you know, the ETLs and, and Danny and all the people that, you know, mom brought up and that were there for us. ’cause They didn’t have to be, and and times were different then, right? I mean, community was a lot more community back in those days. RG (23:50): And, but, but fortunately for us, like there’s, I don’t know. There’s no way, there is no way that we’d be where we are without the help that mom got. Because I don’t know how, I don’t even know how she got where she got without, you know, without them. But prior to them, it’s like I do, I would tell you, like as I listened to the, the, the podcast, like there are things that mom stated that I think are different than what she said. But that again, as perspective, right? She’s older. I’m anywhere between five and 10. So I see things differently or I remember things differently. You know, I, I can tell you that. RV (24:30): Well, and just to, just to underscore what you said there. Yeah. ’cause It’s like, I, I go like, you know, me and AJ are happily married and we have a team. I mean, we got a team of people, like, and I go, we’re, we struggle, like, we struggle to raise kids and like keep up with the family and like, working and, and just, just keeping the house clean. And just like having Santa, just getting the kids to go to eat and like, go to sleep at night. It’s, it’s like, it’s so hard. And what RG (25:01): I, what I would tell you is I think now, and, and you’ve written me and you, and you’ve told me the affinity that you’ve had for me, an understanding, like, I raised you from five to 10 because mom was working. So when you say you were with me a lot of the time, you were with me all the time. Like, I never got to go anywhere with just me. It was always me and my brother. This is, RV (25:28): You’re talking about from when I was age five to when RG (25:30): I was Yeah. From when you were like five to 10. It was like, you were always with me. We were always doing stuff with my friends or whatnot. You know, they were your fr they, a lot of my friends growing up were your friends because you were with us. Right? but I think you also kind of started to understand like, I was being a parent, right? I didn’t know how to be a parent to you at that age. So, you know, even in talking with mom, and she’s apologized because I didn’t have the childhood, you would have Right. That, that a normal, you know, two, maybe a two parent home what people would call normal, I guess upbringing of, you know, a, a family, kids are allowed to be kids and you get to a certain age and then, you know, you start figuring out adulthood. Well, for me, it wasn’t about that. It was, take care of your brother, make sure you don’t burn down the house or wherever you’re living. . RV (26:26): Yeah, we weren’t living in houses. We weren’t living in houses. RG (26:28): Yeah. We weren’t living in houses. And it was a dungeon, you know, Utah, I talked about the dungeon. It was a dungeon. It was a boiler room. The boiler was literally in the kitchen across the street, like the sink. Like it was, I’m, no, I’m telling you, it was, it couldn’t have been more than 36 inches wide. We’d walk in the door and it was just like two rooms with a boiler room and a kitchen sink. I don’t even remember a stove in there. I don’t remember if mom said it was a stove, but I don’t, I don’t remember ever cooking in there. But it, it, it is what it is. So, I mean, we always, always had a roof over our head somehow. I don’t how she did it. You know, she was RV (27:04): Resourceful in that way. I mean, my mom was resourceful. She was good at making friends. Yeah. And she was good at getting people to care about us. And they looked after us. I mean, we had so many people. So she was super resourceful in that way. RG (27:18): Well, I, I will tell you that, that is what created who I am as far as, you know, when I meet people, I’m, I, I, I love making friends. I, you know, everybody’s a friend to me. But I’m also that person that like, I try to take charge to take care of, if that makes sense. So I, I’m, you know, people are like, yeah, you know, you’re that a type personality. Well, it’s really because I’m always on, I’m always just looking out for everybody, RV (27:47): Like on duty. Yes. Like, that’s how I think of it. That’s how I think of it as like, you’re my big brother who is always on duty. Like you were on duty training me, looking after me, watching over me, you know, doing. And, and even now you carry that. Like, I see that with the girls, like on your softball team. Like, it’s like you’re on duty. RG (28:08): Yeah. I don’t, I don’t know how to let somebody else take care of me and my situation stuff. All I know is how to take care of everything and handle it, if that makes sense. So you know, maybe that’s kind of a fight or flight thing from when we were little is just like, figure it out. Like, we always just figured it out. We never got in, in a bad situation that we didn’t get outta because we would just, I’d figure it out. RV (28:42): And what do you so, so what do you remember most about growing up? I mean, out outside of just in general, taking care of me. Like, RG (28:51): I remember moving a lot. I remember, you know, I, I know like I did, I went to like three different first grades. I think Mom even said that, you know, like three different first grades. Which we were always in sort of the same sort of area, but it was like, we didn’t move states at least. But we did move around. I, I felt like we moved around a lot. I remember, you know, mom had always had me in sports though. Some way she managed to get me into sports. So like, I would, I did Boulder Valley Soccer when I was younger. I don’t think we paid, ’cause we didn’t have any money. And she found a way to get me in there. And so she never let us have downtime to just get in trouble. Right. She always like found a way to have us with somebody somewhere, or doing some sport. At least for me. You were a little bit younger, so you, I mean, you, I guess somebody was watching you. I don’t remember like where you were when I was, you know, playing soccer and whatnot. But so I was always kind of involved in sports growing up. RV (29:58): Do you remember, like, do you remember feeling poor or thinking we were poor or having other people like tell you we were poor? Like, do, RG (30:10): Do you, I remember, remember that what I do rem what I do , what I do remember a lot of is when my dad would send child support money, we would, mom would take us out to McDonald’s. RV (30:22): I remember that. RG (30:24): And that was my dad had sent child support. We had a little extra money and you and I would go get Happy Meals and that was a big deal. Right. Because it was like, whatever that character or whatever was in the Happy Meal. RV (30:35): Ronald McDonald Oh no. The thing, the toy and the Happy Meal. Yeah. RG (30:38): Toy and the Happy Meal. But we also used to go to the train at the McDonald’s in Boulder. They used to have that one over by Crossroads Mall back in the day. And it was like, you could go in the caboose and whatnot and I don’t know, but RV (30:49): Right. I remember that RG (30:50): Used to do that. I, I remember not feeling poor because mom would take us to do stuff. Like we were always in the mountains in the foothills. I know you didn’t like it. But for me it was great. That’s why I liked fishing. And, and like, I al one thing I do remember was I always wanted a dog though. Like, we never had our own place. Like we were always living with somebody or lived in somewhere that we couldn’t have a pet. So that was one thing that I wish I always could have. And then I finally did, you know, in high school we got, you know, mom allowed me to get Roscoe. RV (31:28): And Did you? Yeah, that’s right. We had Roscoe Roscoe 1 1 1 time. One time we were playing football. One time we were playing football in the living room. I remember ’cause you used to put the blankets over. Oh yeah. . We were playing goal line. And I used to, I used to carry the ball and I’d have to like jump over you and you’d be under the blankets with all the pillows and you’d slam into me and I’d have to try to like jump over the goal line. And you rocked me back into the Christmas tree, like knocked me back RG (31:56): After. It was like yesterday. RV (31:57): I hit the Christmas tree, Christmas tree completely tips over and crashes. And mom’s favorite ornament. Was it ACO cu Buffs ornament Or a, I think RG (32:08): It was a Broncos ornament. A RV (32:10): Broncos ornament crash and shattered and all And what happened, mom goes, I took care Speaker 3 (32:17): Of it. What happened? Randy RV (32:19): Took care of it. Mom Speaker 3 (32:21): Roscoe knocked over the Christmas Street. . We blamed it on the dog. RG (32:27): Yep. Speaker 3 (32:28): You did. You took care of it. RG (32:29): That’s why I always wanted a dog was ’cause I was always getting caught. ’cause I had nothing to blame it on. It’s like, plus mom knew everybody, so it was like I could never get away with anything. RV (32:37): We did tell her the truth of that story. Like 10 years later, maybe I don’t even something like RG (32:40): That. Don’t even remember. Maybe this is the first essential here. I don’t know about RV (32:43): Yeah, maybe. I think we told her the truth. RG (32:45): Yeah. And then RV (32:46): Anyways, we’re honest people. We’re honest people. But we did, we did lie about the . We did lie about the Christmas tree. RG (32:52): . Yeah. and then, you know, I think our fondest memory, for whatever reason, I don’t understand why is, is always, you know, always around football. Like when we played Garfield, like, you know, I don’t know if you, you’ve told your audience what, what I sent you for a Christmas gift, but it was, you know, the doll or stuffed animal that we used to play with for a football. ’cause We didn’t have money for a football. Like something that simple, like, and we literally, we picked it up and here goes to get it. He is. And you could fit your, this is show him how you flip it around and you fit it. I was always the quarterback. So that this RV (33:33): Was, this was, this is the greatest Christmas present baby I’ve ever gotten because this is, this Garfield doll is the doll. We couldn’t afford a football and somebody must have donated us. RG (33:44): I think we got it at a church or something. RV (33:45): A church or something. But when you, his little plastic eyes, he’s got these like hard plastic eyes. When you throw this bad boy, he perfectly spi I mean, perfectly spirals. Yep. And so we played with this for hours, for years. RG (33:59): Yeah. RV (34:00): And then this last Christmas outta nowhere, Randy sends me this no note or anything. There was nothing. It just showed up. Because you must have ordered it from Amazon or something. Yeah, RG (34:11): We looked that for it. RV (34:11): Yeah. And it showed up. And when I opened it, I knew, I knew it was from you. Like, ’cause this was, and I so it sit, it sits on my desk. That’s where I just went to grab it. . Right, right behind me. Right. The RG (34:25): But it, I mean it’s the, it’s what you talk about in some of your you know, when you’re, you’re speaking sometimes you talk about the Garfield and, and, and that’s it. I mean, for those that don’t know, that’s that’s it. That’s the thing That was football for us for years. Same thing. You know, we just made do, we emptied two liter bottle and we make paper baseballs wrapped up tape balls. And we played baseball. I think most kids didn’t have things, did that sort of thing. And we, we played baseball. We had RV (34:52): A two liter empty, two liter bottle of soda was our bat. Right. And then you had take a, take a pick paper and roll it up and tape it up. Yeah. We did that all the time. We RG (35:01): Used to do, we used to do great things as kids. I mean, we, you know, even things that I did with Carter now is, you know, I made a tournament, a basketball tournament bracket. Right. Like how you and I used to play that all the time. You know, I was the older one, so I got to pick out and do all the fun stuff and Yeah. You RV (35:18): Got to shoot all the three pointers and I sat and rebounded RG (35:21): Yeah. Hours RV (35:22): At a time and RG (35:23): Yeah. But you were a great rebounder when you got the high school. RV (35:24): That’s true. I was a great rebounder in high school. . So did you, but you never, so like, the thing that dawned on me was like, I didn’t really realize I didn’t, I never had any inclination whatsoever that like, we were only one, you know, we were only like a few days away from living on the streets at time. And like, we hadn’t had friends, we wouldn’t have had a meal. And like, it never dawned on me. It wasn’t until I was much older looking back, being like, wow. Like, mm-Hmm. And, and I started learning about money and business and stuff and being like, we, we, we, we come a long way. So, so, but when you were young, you never felt that either. You never felt like, no. Oh, I’m not gonna be, RG (36:09): I never felt RV (36:09): Somebody because we don’t have money. RG (36:12): I never felt like, I mean, I guess the, it, I don’t know if it’s a good example or not, but you know, some kids, when you’re going to school, you’re like, he, well that kid’s, the, the, the dirty kid or he smells or he doesn’t take a shower because they can’t afford the water, whatever. I never felt like I, that was us. Okay. Right. I never felt like that was us. I do know that we learned the value of a dollar very early. ’cause When we wanted something, we had to earn it. I can recall we went camping in Colorado Springs one time. I had saved up all my allowance for months to buy a fishing rod in a Rio. And I mean, I tell the story all the time that you and you and mom are over here on the side. And I’m standing on the dock. I got my fishing rod and my line in the water. I got a Pepsi in one hand and Cheetos in the other. And I hear, skip, skip, skip who? And a fish. Big, big old fish took my pole and Rod. And I stand up and I’m screaming and I’m crying to mom and she’s all, what? What’s going? I said, the fish just took my pole. And she says, well go get it. I’m like, how am I supposed to go get it? I’m diving in this lake. Like, I’m great RV (37:22): Advice, mom. Jump in the RG (37:23): Lake. Go get it. Go get it. Oh man. I was so, I was so heartbroken. I had saved up for the best reel, you know, forever. It was like, I mean, those are the kind of things that, that we have stories like that from, from our whole childhood. Like, I have stories that I remember that are, that if I say now just crack me up, they’re hilarious. But at the time they were like, you know, destroyed me, you know, type of thing. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I don’t, I don’t think, you know, we always had, I don’t feel like we ever went hungry. I’m, I’m sure we were probably hungry, but I don’t feel like we ever went hungry, if that makes sense. Yeah. I don’t think we ever missed a meal. You and me, like we always had something to eat some soup or something. But we RV (38:06): Were on, we were on wic. We were RG (38:07): On wic. Yeah. Yeah. Which is, you know, it’s milk and butter and, and eggs and cheese I think is what it is. It’s like the essentials. RV (38:15): But that’s only till, I think mom said that that only was while, while I was under age too. Once I was like over age two. Yeah. It shuts off. So I, RG (38:23): I don’t, I, I guess I don’t know all that. Like, I don’t know the details of when that kicked in or not. I do remember, like, we grew up on mac and cheese. We grew up on ramen noodles. We grew up on the little, you know, Kool-Aid things that were 5 cents, they were little barrel that, that had juice in them. You know, they’re not even juice. I don’t know what they were, but taste like juice RV (38:42): Chemicals. RG (38:43): S they definitely chemicals, you know we grew up on tortillas, but you know, we RV (38:48): Call little one burritos. The RG (38:49): White, the white, the white man burrito. Right. We put cheese in the tortilla and melted cheese. And it was like, Hey, that was our burrito. Yeah. Didn’t have beans in it. Just had cheese and yeah. RV (38:58): We weren’t eating healthy because we were eating cheap. Which is unfortunate. ’cause That’s how a lot of families are like, when you don’t have money, it’s like you Yeah. It’s all crappy food that’s Yeah. RG (39:07): Afford. Yeah. Well that you’ll find that too, when you’re trying to get healthy. Right? Like, they don’t help you to get healthy. That’s for sure. . RV (39:13): Yeah. It’s expensive. It’s hard to find. It takes forever to cook. Like yeah. Ram Well, I, I just, you know, if, if there’s somebody out there right now who’s listening, who’s just going through a tough time, like maybe, maybe they’re looking at a picture of themselves in the mirror going, that can’t be me. Or, you know, maybe they’re in a place where they don’t have a lot of money, you know, or they’re, you know, like one of your girls dealing with some type of a, of a, you know, an eating disorder. Like, you’ve come so far and, and we’ve come, I mean we’ve, we’ve, we’ve all come so far. What would you say to that person about what it takes to transform their life? RG (40:07): For me, people sometimes say think big, but for me it’s think, think simple. Don’t, don’t bite off the biggest piece of the apple first. Start off slow, but continue to do it every day. And eventually you’ll be done. You start off slow on that bottom step of that mountain. You didn’t think you could get to you, but you had to take a step to get it. We’ll, take one step, take two steps the next day, take three steps the next day. And before you know it, you’re at the top and you don’t even know how you got there. You don’t remember where, what it was like when you started. And then I’ve heard this lately a couple times, is get uncomfortable being uncomfortable, like to make a change of anything. It isn’t gonna be nice. It’s not gonna be comfortable. It’s not nothing worth doing is easy. RG (41:05): Like, that was the biggest thing for me is like understanding. Like, I’m going to get there eventually, but it isn’t gonna be easy and it isn’t gonna be in 30 days and it isn’t gonna be in 60 days. But I don’t care. I I, I have a date out here that I gotta get to. And if I just keep doing this every day, I’ll get to where I’m at. And if I have to reevaluate my goal when I get there, then I’ll reevaluate. But I’m not gonna reevaluate until I get there. There. And then though, you know it, you’re there. If it’s a financial situation, I mean, I, I would say I’m not the greatest financial person to be given financial advice, but you know, but it’s, for me, it’s like I start to think about more of like, what’s more important for my next payment, right? RG (41:56): Like, can I live without this so that I can get this? Yeah. That makes more sense. So I start to weigh things like that, you know, now as, as opposed to before when we grew up, like that was my big, that I think that is one of the big issues that I have is we didn’t have money. So now when I have money for something, I’m like, Hey, get it. Like my, I don’t want my kids to never have nothing that they don’t want. Like, that was hard for me. My my daughter, you know, she wanted a new bat. I’d go get her a new bat. She wanted a new glove. I’d go get her a new glove because I didn’t want her to feel like I fell, which was, I had good enough. Or I had, I had shoes on. Who knows what brand they were. Right. I had a shirt on. RV (42:40): I know they were from Payless. I know sure that was RG (42:43): Straight Payless. RV (42:44): Uhhuh . They were from Pay Less. That was the only place that we ever went. RG (42:47): Yep. When they started like, making shoes that looked like Reebok pumps. I remember that day. . You know what I mean? So you know, don’t give up no matter what you do. Don’t give up. Don’t give up find. I found, I, I found that it wasn’t that I could really necessarily go to any one individual that I knew. It was more like I found podcasts and I used social media to push me by watching motivational things. That’s how I did it. So, you know, I would say things that, that I would internalize and I would hear it and it would make me think about where we came from. Or it would make me think about how far we’ve come or it’d make me think about what I wanna show to my brother, or what I wanna show to my mom or what I wanna show to my kids. RG (43:44): Like what am I doing that shows them that what I say, I mean, you know, and so for me, the bodybuilding thing I feel I’m like in my life is probably the one thing that I said I was gonna do that I did without a doubt. And you know, this, I mean, there’s a lot of things that I’ve wanted to do in my life and I’ll start and I stop because whatever it’s ’cause of whatever, the two things, I don’t the three things I’ve never stopped. I’ve been married to almost 24 years. I’ve got two kids. One’s getting, both of ’em will be seniors next year, one in college, one in high school, and I coach. And I’m lifting. Like, those are the things now to me that I’ll, I I’m not gonna stop. Right. And so, you know, if there’s anything in life that’s worth doing, it’s, it’s for your family. And you do whatever you can do. You do whatever you gotta do for your family. RV (44:38): Yeah. Well, I just want to thank you R like it’s not lost on me that the life that I have is much the result of many people who made sacrifices along the way and who invested in me. Many, many people starting first and foremost with you and mom. Like and that’s continued, that’s continued to this day. Like people constantly investing into me and, but I never, I never would got there if it weren’t for you. And I’m so grateful for the discipline. You know, and I, it’s like I joke about not, I mean, I kind of joke. I mean, I do, I joke about the fact that I don’t like camping. I don’t like manly stuff. You know, I don’t, I would rather get a man a manicure than I would go fishing a hundred times . But the truth is like, I’m a pretty tough son of a. RV (45:36): If I have to be and it’s because of you, it’s because you beat the crap outta me, and pushed me to the limits. And you, you always taught me to get back up. You always taught me to keep going. You always taught me like don’t listen to what anybody says to you. And don’t, don’t ever internalize someone who’s talking crap about you or about us. Like you always, I remember you always pushing me in sports and never letting people who are bigger than me and older than me. You know, like your friends. They never got to make fun of me. That was, you would always, you would. We were on duty. RG (46:15): Yeah. I have a great story I have to tell because it, it goes to that point. I remember coming home one day and you were at Ryan Elementary, this in Lafayette, and I came home and I don’t know, one of the neighbor girls came running up, your brother’s getting in a fight, your brother’s getting in a fight. And I’m like, what? So I tear off and I’m running across the street and I’m, it was my friends and you come walking back across the street and I’m like, what happened? And they’re like, Rory knocked him out. . It was like some big kid that was messing with you in school, wanted to meet you after school, and you met him and you knocked him out. And I was like, what? It’s like I didn’t get to do anything. I didn’t get the help at all. And you guys were walking across the street like, you know, like king of the mountain. It was funny. I just remember that story when you’re saying that. It was I don’t know if you remember doing that, but you came walking across the street with with Craig and the guys and you are like, you know, it was, it’s funny. RV (47:15): Yeah. And I, I don’t, I, I, I don’t look for fights. I try actively to avoid fights, but like, and not just fights rejection, right? Heartbreak, setback, failure. People telling you you’re not good enough, you’re not smart enough, you’re, their skin’s the wrong color. Like you’re whatever. Like yeah. Those are, those are, those are things that I’ve endured and I know that you have and I know that people listening have and just, so anyway, so thank you for that. Y’all, if you want to know more about my brother and check out his journey and see what he’s up to with, with lifting and you can, you could go to Instagram and follow him at the Randy Gale GALE, the Randy Gale brother. I love you. Thank you. Thank you for this. And thank you for everything. RG (48:04): Thanks for the opportunity. And yeah, if any reviewer, your viewers have questions on Health Journey that they’re going through, hit me up. I’m always here to help. Like Rory says, you know, I’m always on watch. RV (48:17): I love it. I love you, bro. RG (48:19): All right, love you.